"Made in EU" - it was harder than I thought
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Someone forgot to update their tagline to "AI".
Hetzner handles the core compute. Load balancers, VMs, and S3-compatible object storage. The pricing is almost absurdly good compared to AWS, and the performance is solid. If you've never spun up a Hetzner box, you're overpaying for cloud compute.
Sort of. I do agree that Hetzner is good value for money for the "simpler" products like servers. Part of that is that European hosting is simply cheaper because bandwidth and DC space here is cheaper compared to the US, and part of it is that they have razor-thin margins. But I'd avoid their S3 service. They don't have the margins to maintain complex products so when you run into mysterious bugs (like transfers aborting early or corrupting data) they just shrug their shoulders. Happened to us.
Thankfully, Bunny.net's Storage product could probably also fill that gap if this startup ever runs into such problems.
This seems overly generalized.
Distributing an app on Android and iOS means "Google Ads"? EU-first users expect "Sign in with Google" and "Sign in with Apple"? Now all web sites and online services require "AI"? Real businesses currently create reliance on the shaky edifice of GitHub?
I'm sure those things exist, but claiming EU-first is hard because you're too inexperienced to have used anything but US defaults seems to be stretching things a bit.
Google has been evil for years, and we know not everyone has an Apple device. Many, many people, and smart businesspeople, know that "AI" mostly wastes everyone's time and money while introducing countless security and privacy issues. GitHub started in the direction of the toilet years ago and has done nothing but pick up speed.
Rather, I'd say this could be better summarized like so:
"Made in EU" - it's harder than you might think if you already assume US-everything is normal
EU-first users expect "Sign in with Google" and "Sign in with Apple"?
The business is EU first, but I don't think they want to limit their customers to being EU first.
Real businesses currently create reliance on the shaky edifice of GitHub?
Yes?
Distributing an app on Android and iOS means "Google Ads"?
Well, it sure means having account with with Google or Apple? What's you point here? Publish on F-Droid? Direct .APK download?
Now all web sites and online services require "AI"?
Nobody made that claim?
Someone just shared their experiences. Why all the weird assumptions and the negativity?
Well, it sure means having account with with Google or Apple? What's you point here? Publish on F-Droid? Direct .APK download?
Do you download apps from "Google Ads"? Do you need to set up / pay for / use "Google Ads" to have an app in the Google App Store / Play Store? I mean it's possible, but if that's the case, that's pretty bad.
Nobody made that claim?
Suggesting that "Made in EU" is hard because "AI" companies are United Statesian isn't claiming that "AI" is required, but it's certainly suggesting that "AI" is a requisite part of an online presence.
Do you need to set up / pay for / use "Google Ads" to have an app in the Google App Store / Play Store?
In the App Store you need to make sure at least nobody is buying ads to place above your app. I don't imagine it's better in the Play Store.
OP is clearly trying run some kind of tech startup, not just "have an online presence". And that might require some kind of APIs, in his specific case it's LLMs. Again, he's saying "Made in EU" was difficult for him, in his specific situation.
Either way, I have a question for you: If this was just a generic blog post called "my difficulties running my startup using AWS and Google Analytics", would you have commented the same way? Or did you write your critical comment because the OP is trying to use EU services?
I find this very interesting, thanks! Any more users of bunny.net?
Not for anything commercial, but I do use their CDN, storage, and DNS products for personal stuff and some nonprofit work. Works well, haven't had any issues.
Hi, I use bunny.net for some of my stuff, I'm planning to migrate away from CF to Bunny for all my projects.
The only important thing to remember is that there is a minimum 1$ a month charge, but there is plenty of features that are free and the priced features are reasonable (unlike some of CFs pricing page). They're definitely working on more feature parity with CF, it's not quite there yet, though WAF+Cache is pretty close now.
The author mentions AI on the article. I am currently trying out vibe by Mistral (great name IMHO), which is the equivalent of Claude Code by Mistral. And so far I am happy with it. The docs are good, the interface is also nice, setup was painless. I can recommend it for anyone wanting to use EU infrastructure and open source models :)
It was also interesting to see that the docs have a section explaining how to use vibe in offline mode with locally run models.