The CTF scene is dead

28 points by Shorden


muvlon

About the "LLMs are chess engines for CTF" take the article discusses: There's a major cultural difference here that I think should be noted. CTF was always at least in part a tech arms race, with tool use and development being not just allowed but well-respected. Long before LLMs, competitors were employing ever fancier fuzzers, decompilers, dynamic binary analysis, SMT solvers etc. There was no similar progression in chess. There, it was basically all human brain power until one day computers without any input from humans just started to dominate.

So in chess, the culture quickly agreed on banning engines in competitive play and sanctions it as cheating, mostly effectively. In CTF, it's much harder to draw the line. After all, LLMs are also just C++ (or something) programs running on some computers that help you solve challenges. They're just better than the last generation of tools and take less skill to use.

freddyb

I agree that the CTF scene is in a really dire state and that everyone is still st a loss of what to do, but I think there are some aspects of ctf we can and should salvage

The competitive aspect and the bragging rights might be in danger, but I think there’s a way to keep it for teaching, learning and exchanging new ideas. As an example, do away with the scoreboards. Consider to remove the time limitations. Run it for longer.

Vague-posting here to force myself into writing it down some more. :)